i'm still a student but here in nigeria....its a lil bit expensive..it depend on the kind of firm u're taking
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How much does architectural project cost in your country?
Started by Pavel Pavlenko, Dec 11 2011 07:17 PM
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Posted 30 January 2012 - 01:24 PM
Ivan, on 30 January 2012 - 01:13 PM, said:
25-50 EUR per sq.meter
where?
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Posted 30 January 2012 - 02:59 PM
In PORTUGAL, 0,5% to 10% of total cost of the building.
New Architects or unknown architects - 0,5% to 1%
Senior architects like Pritzker Souto de Moura - 10% to 15%
There are no law, there are no rules do to de right price for an architecture project!!!
New Architects or unknown architects - 0,5% to 1%
Senior architects like Pritzker Souto de Moura - 10% to 15%
There are no law, there are no rules do to de right price for an architecture project!!!
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Posted 30 January 2012 - 05:27 PM
hi there
in south africa the recommended fee for architectuire is around 6 % of the total cost for a commercial building
and up to 15% for a hi end domestic home
interior design fees can be 15% or more depending if its deisgn and manufacture or specify source and install
intersting reading!!!!!
teh thing of course is to get paid - the fees are fine but to get the client to pay the last bill is well - impossible!
in south africa the recommended fee for architectuire is around 6 % of the total cost for a commercial building
and up to 15% for a hi end domestic home
interior design fees can be 15% or more depending if its deisgn and manufacture or specify source and install
intersting reading!!!!!
teh thing of course is to get paid - the fees are fine but to get the client to pay the last bill is well - impossible!
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Posted 30 January 2012 - 05:55 PM
It depends on the project but an architect ears about 35-50 Euro per hour OR 10-20% of the building costs in Germany. But it depends on the project, for an normal family home an architect earns less, but for public buildings or companies you earn much more... In Germany we have so many architects, more (%) than in other countries so it depends for which company you work and how established you are...
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Posted 30 January 2012 - 07:31 PM
Hi everybody.
Good question! I live in Portugal and the price usually depends on how difficult is the design, on the kind of detail required by the client, on the supposed timetable of the whole design process (including preliminary studies, design, getting licences and authorizations - it is the worst part, it may take years - detailing and assistance to the building fase).
Anyway, the problem is: how much you can really ask? If you're "strong" or "famous" (or known for having good friends in public administration), you can ask almost any value, otherwise even the cheaper price is considered too high! And even when you get the job, you are asked to do it as fast as possible, but then the problem changes: how much will you wait to get payed for the job you've done?
Because of a personal quest for rationality, I usually make a defining sketch of the possible solution of an architectural demand, then I try to calculate the price on the basis of complexity, areas, building challanges, using an old table defined by law for public contracts... with quite a large discount, anyway, because there's plenty of architects who ask (without proposing design ida or strategy) much less than they should and, doing this, destroy the market. The client normally chooses the cheaper price, regardless of any other aspect of the proposal (quality, strategy, fitting the initial demand and so on...)
I believe the whole contracting method and strategies should be different and architects should behave loyally with each other, but i know I'm a dreamer...
Good discussion topic, indeed
Francesco Cancelliere
Good question! I live in Portugal and the price usually depends on how difficult is the design, on the kind of detail required by the client, on the supposed timetable of the whole design process (including preliminary studies, design, getting licences and authorizations - it is the worst part, it may take years - detailing and assistance to the building fase).
Anyway, the problem is: how much you can really ask? If you're "strong" or "famous" (or known for having good friends in public administration), you can ask almost any value, otherwise even the cheaper price is considered too high! And even when you get the job, you are asked to do it as fast as possible, but then the problem changes: how much will you wait to get payed for the job you've done?
Because of a personal quest for rationality, I usually make a defining sketch of the possible solution of an architectural demand, then I try to calculate the price on the basis of complexity, areas, building challanges, using an old table defined by law for public contracts... with quite a large discount, anyway, because there's plenty of architects who ask (without proposing design ida or strategy) much less than they should and, doing this, destroy the market. The client normally chooses the cheaper price, regardless of any other aspect of the proposal (quality, strategy, fitting the initial demand and so on...)
I believe the whole contracting method and strategies should be different and architects should behave loyally with each other, but i know I'm a dreamer...
Good discussion topic, indeed
Francesco Cancelliere
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Posted 30 January 2012 - 11:09 PM
In Mexico, Guadalajara >
In order to estimate professional services, the custom is to separate the project from the construction. The ideal will be to charge 4% of the direct cost of the building for the architectural project and building documents and 10% for administrate, coordinate and supervise the construction and subcontracts.
Recently the common practice of a lot of road side architects and contractors are "giving away for free" the project in exchange for securing the building contract where they play with the prices and quality of the materials to recover. - ... deceitful. Many of this groups give a guaranteed close price for the m2 finished in primary stage, including materials. (primary stage being the foundations, structure, electrical, mechanical and hydraulic before fittings and finishes). This prices are given before any study or preliminary project. - how do they do this !? This prices circle around $2,700 mxp per m2. In my experience just the labour cost around $1,700 mxp per m2 and materials are about double o more... !! of course without project I couldn't say. The thing is that clients are buying this and believe they are actually saving money, but they are buying troubles.
In my last project I was just able to sell the architectural and building documents for the 4% of a pre-estimate cost of a 300m2 residence base in the market. - $84,000 mxp. I din't get the construction contract, but for $10,000 per month, I'm the supervisor. I do visits on site every day for two hours from monday to friday to check that everything comply with the project. This doesn't works for me, because I'm asked to solve problems that arose on site and before you know you are redesigning.
Now I have a potential client that wants me to estimate setting a price for projected / m2 disregarding the project. He mention a rank between $200-240 mxp / m2 (base on what?) !! - and want me to supervise just the preliminary construction... ! It's not looking good.
I'll figure something out, but I'm not happy whit this unfair competition.
In order to estimate professional services, the custom is to separate the project from the construction. The ideal will be to charge 4% of the direct cost of the building for the architectural project and building documents and 10% for administrate, coordinate and supervise the construction and subcontracts.
Recently the common practice of a lot of road side architects and contractors are "giving away for free" the project in exchange for securing the building contract where they play with the prices and quality of the materials to recover. - ... deceitful. Many of this groups give a guaranteed close price for the m2 finished in primary stage, including materials. (primary stage being the foundations, structure, electrical, mechanical and hydraulic before fittings and finishes). This prices are given before any study or preliminary project. - how do they do this !? This prices circle around $2,700 mxp per m2. In my experience just the labour cost around $1,700 mxp per m2 and materials are about double o more... !! of course without project I couldn't say. The thing is that clients are buying this and believe they are actually saving money, but they are buying troubles.
In my last project I was just able to sell the architectural and building documents for the 4% of a pre-estimate cost of a 300m2 residence base in the market. - $84,000 mxp. I din't get the construction contract, but for $10,000 per month, I'm the supervisor. I do visits on site every day for two hours from monday to friday to check that everything comply with the project. This doesn't works for me, because I'm asked to solve problems that arose on site and before you know you are redesigning.
Now I have a potential client that wants me to estimate setting a price for projected / m2 disregarding the project. He mention a rank between $200-240 mxp / m2 (base on what?) !! - and want me to supervise just the preliminary construction... ! It's not looking good.
I'll figure something out, but I'm not happy whit this unfair competition.
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Posted 31 January 2012 - 11:53 AM
gluk, on 31 January 2012 - 11:45 AM, said:
10-30 $ m2
where?
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Posted 31 January 2012 - 01:05 PM
In Argentina it used to be 10% of the total amount of building costs... And it also depends on the responsabilities you assume (just the project or guiding the construction process, etc) but I don't know if that has changed in the last years, for it has always been a topic of discussion (contractors might think: how is this guy trying to keep the budget low, if his charging me in relation to it?)
Very interesting to read the different schemes around the globe...
Very interesting to read the different schemes around the globe...
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Posted 01 February 2012 - 02:28 PM
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Architectural Design, not including MEPs goes for about USD 10 per square meter. When the project gets too small for the amount to make sense, you establish a whole project fee instead. E.g. USD 3,500 for a 250 square meter house.
People don't like the % of total cost way of managing wages. This means that the client doesn't know how much the drawings will really cost before actually developing the project and estimating its cost. By the time you did all this work, good luck expecting the client to accept the charges and paying for them.
The trick is to calculate the time it will take to do a very good job but be as vague as the client allows on what you promise on your proposal. This way, if you incur in extra time and work (which in this side of the world never gets paid), you just balance the amount of work and time you have to put in to complete the job to its minimum requirements. It may sound sloppy but we hate to be taken advantage of, right?
Great idea Pavel!
I am pretty sure that by now you have a nice and tidy spreadsheet with your findings. Would you be kind enough and share it with me? ricardo@cavenecia.pe
Architectural Design, not including MEPs goes for about USD 10 per square meter. When the project gets too small for the amount to make sense, you establish a whole project fee instead. E.g. USD 3,500 for a 250 square meter house.
People don't like the % of total cost way of managing wages. This means that the client doesn't know how much the drawings will really cost before actually developing the project and estimating its cost. By the time you did all this work, good luck expecting the client to accept the charges and paying for them.
The trick is to calculate the time it will take to do a very good job but be as vague as the client allows on what you promise on your proposal. This way, if you incur in extra time and work (which in this side of the world never gets paid), you just balance the amount of work and time you have to put in to complete the job to its minimum requirements. It may sound sloppy but we hate to be taken advantage of, right?
Great idea Pavel!
I am pretty sure that by now you have a nice and tidy spreadsheet with your findings. Would you be kind enough and share it with me? ricardo@cavenecia.pe
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 05:14 AM
Thanks for this question and all answers, because this was a topic which i really want to know.
in Turkey, we have a calculate system, called "minimum fee formula" for architects. This system using with TAA( turkish architects assocation) , and this assocation is a semi-govermental operation, which protected with laws and for architects rights. If you are studiyng for a Formal architectural project which you must to take a building licanse from local municipality; u must use this formula. This is about %1 to %3 of total budget. ( ruled to defined building type 1A,1B,2A...5C...) and there is a long check list which this formula have to calculate, including "clients can change their idea, or there are many İnstability of work".
. Also you have to pay %20+%18 tax from this value, for "big partner of all our companies"
Then you are ready to draw ? Sure not , clients wants to discount from this value, there is a wide architect scala from %50 discounters to %0 . And this discount is not Formal, so you have to pay tax which calculated from first prize. ( for example formal agreed fee is 10.000 $, and u agree with client for %30 discount. Then you take 7000$ and pay goverment 10.000$'s tax for about 3000$. Funny? ). Why? Because we have a great, powerfull, effective architect assocation and protect our rights.
Turkey have 81 cities, and each have TAA office branch, avarege of 75 city is using this funny story. Because of laws.
i have an design office in İstanbul and we use different inteligent technics to escape from our assocations protecting style. interior design or restorating projects fee s are up to you. Generally %5 for project phases and %10 for construction for about 200 m2 to 1000 m2.
in Turkey, we have a calculate system, called "minimum fee formula" for architects. This system using with TAA( turkish architects assocation) , and this assocation is a semi-govermental operation, which protected with laws and for architects rights. If you are studiyng for a Formal architectural project which you must to take a building licanse from local municipality; u must use this formula. This is about %1 to %3 of total budget. ( ruled to defined building type 1A,1B,2A...5C...) and there is a long check list which this formula have to calculate, including "clients can change their idea, or there are many İnstability of work".
. Also you have to pay %20+%18 tax from this value, for "big partner of all our companies" Then you are ready to draw ? Sure not , clients wants to discount from this value, there is a wide architect scala from %50 discounters to %0 . And this discount is not Formal, so you have to pay tax which calculated from first prize. ( for example formal agreed fee is 10.000 $, and u agree with client for %30 discount. Then you take 7000$ and pay goverment 10.000$'s tax for about 3000$. Funny?
). Why? Because we have a great, powerfull, effective architect assocation and protect our rights.Turkey have 81 cities, and each have TAA office branch, avarege of 75 city is using this funny story. Because of laws.
i have an design office in İstanbul and we use different inteligent technics to escape from our assocations protecting style. interior design or restorating projects fee s are up to you. Generally %5 for project phases and %10 for construction for about 200 m2 to 1000 m2.
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Posted 11 February 2012 - 07:28 PM
Gentlemen,
I have other question to you if you can give me idea.
Theoretically only!
If we have a project and the design team have an technique which cut 40% to 50% from the energy consumption of the building in the end as in the same time keeps the standards as they are, what the architectural and engineering cost should be?
Actually we have the building ready and it really runs very low consumption.
Just asking since the tricky moment for such design is the architecture and engineering.
I have other question to you if you can give me idea.
Theoretically only!
If we have a project and the design team have an technique which cut 40% to 50% from the energy consumption of the building in the end as in the same time keeps the standards as they are, what the architectural and engineering cost should be?
Actually we have the building ready and it really runs very low consumption.
Just asking since the tricky moment for such design is the architecture and engineering.
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